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Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.12.18 11:24:00 -
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It all starts with the people who feel important (sometimes for good reason so no offence here) decide that the forums aint giving them enough back to warrent thier effort in helping.
ie spend countless hours researching IPO releases calling up scams etc, directly benefiting not only themselves but the whole community of MD. Most would even offer advice and tip on all areas of the market but only if some research had been carried out by the person asking for help.
Recently there ha been alot of clutter from noobish question, alot of the time the answer is a page back at most or worse in the stickies lol.
The people putting in all this effort for the betterment of the market and community have now devised a way to continue to progress the secondry market and benefit everyone including the MD forums they are leaving behind, and yet they still recieve critasism.
On the topic of what will happen, well there will be countless scams that work and the secondry market will dissapear completely from here anyone with a valid IPO/Bond will go the ebank route and avoid the scamfest. Reason for the scam fest none of the trusted regulars to call out the scams and dodgy offerings I cannot see newer people sticking around after being scammed a few times.
The Market will probably get healthier from this move but MD will become the "Ask your Noob questions and get scammed here" forum. Looking at the low post count this forum has even when the Experienced regulars visited I cannot see there being much activity at all. I may be wrong, IMO alot of the people "leaving" will keep an eye out here for any investment that looks good. And I think alot of them wont be able to help themselve adding a sarcastic or funny remark to latest batch of noob posts.....shrug.
I only frequent here and it will continue, It gives me much amusement at work.
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Midas Man
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Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.18 14:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Taikun
Edited by: Taikun on 18/12/2008 14:47:49
Stop riding on the coat tails of others and deliver something other than blah blah blah.
you know you could Take you own advice, for someone so against IPO's you have done a massive amount of posting relating to ...wait for it....IPO and even more shocking you did it in this forum.
Unless you have something better to add than something that contradicts your earlier posting pointed out numerous time by many a MD poster, please remain silent.
Anyone interstead in seeing Taikun other point of view on this subject go to Eve Search and search "Taikun IPO" "Taikun scam". and other tings that will bring up page after page of post by him discussing exactly what he is telling people shouldn't be discussed here LOL.
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.18 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Confuzer
Naah I don't blame anybody. Just saying it will be a nicer place for me incase those posts stop :)
No offence, but surely the 3-4 post of this kind per day (which are market related and dont fit into Sell orders because discussion about offerings is not allowed there) cannot cause you that much sifting and most can be identified from the title. I really dont see the point of either side of this. The forum isn't overflowing so it easily has the capacity to handle, "Ingame" Market interface and the secondry market.
I Also have no idea why each group is annoyed with each other, its easy to ignore stuff you dont want to read.
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lexander Morinex
I personally believe the secondary market is part of the market. The individuals who engage in IPO's and Bond offerings typically use that money for the purposes of additional market activities. Since the activities of IPO's involve the market, the activities of the IPO's to me are relevant to a market discussion.
A real world analogy would be the discussing the stock of a company producing a commodity. Any producer of a commodity is implicitly part of that market (either directly or indirectly) and therefore the status and success of that company remains relevant to market discussions.
- Lexander Morinex
Exactly this, If you were to have a discussion about the ingame price of Battleships, ignoring an IPO from a producer feeding 300 Battleships per month into the market would be a bit blindsighted and hence discussion regarding that offering should definately be allowed here.
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
Eve-search sucks. It has always sucked and will probably suck long after the "elders" have moved out of their parents' basements. And even if a question has already been asked and answered, the level of effort that the "elite" puts into abusing the poor noob who posed it always far exceeds the level of effort required to simply answer the question again or point the noob in the right direction. Let these self-important a-holes leave. Nobody will miss them. Nobody cares. EvE is bigger than even the most over-inflated internet ego.
A search engine is only as good as the information you feed it, Eve Search is fantastic and even keeps the uneditted version of the post, perfect for spotting scammer and the like.
If you find Evesearch Sucks, then maybe its you that sucks and you few post above only go further to confirm that theory, The "Elites" as you like to generalise them werenot gifted with the information that you fools feel they should share with any nublet that cannot understand the simplicity of a search engine, If a leet person knows it it is probably documented somewhere and if its not its information they are going to keep guarded for their own good and profitability.
Grow up and stop expecting your parents to hand hold you through everything (In this case the parents are the Elites.
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
You're right. I suck. My real parents are long dead. Perhaps my other parents - these arrogant elites can follow their example and go away. Maybe you should lead them.
And another thing regarding eve-search. It is an external site. Expecting noobs to use a search engine that is not part of the eve forums to find topics in the eve forums is absolutely ridiculous. I could understand if the eve-search site was actually a very effective search engine, but honestly, for the most part, eve-search makes Ask Jeeves look good. But then again. I suck. I don't really know what I'm doing or talking about. But my general suckiness and incompetence notwithstanding, I'm pretty sure these "elite parents" will not be missed by anyone but the most co-dependent of sycophants.
Casing point and thank you for being so honest, if a few more of the newer players would be as honest as you maybe MD regulars would go a bit easy on y'all.
ie "Hello Im new here I cannot be bothered reading stickies and I cannot use search engines, could someone pls point me to some information about how to trade"
would get a better reception than
"Tradz peoplez Plz tell me how to be uber rick, k thx"
Have a good day, and as you should know admission is the first step on the road to recovery.
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Midas Man
Originally by: VJ Maverick
You're right. I suck. My real parents are long dead. Perhaps my other parents - these arrogant elites can follow their example and go away. Maybe you should lead them.
And another thing regarding eve-search. It is an external site. Expecting noobs to use a search engine that is not part of the eve forums to find topics in the eve forums is absolutely ridiculous. I could understand if the eve-search site was actually a very effective search engine, but honestly, for the most part, eve-search makes Ask Jeeves look good. But then again. I suck. I don't really know what I'm doing or talking about. But my general suckiness and incompetence notwithstanding, I'm pretty sure these "elite parents" will not be missed by anyone but the most co-dependent of sycophants.
Casing point and thank you for being so honest, if a few more of the newer players would be as honest as you maybe MD regulars would go a bit easy on y'all.
ie "Hello Im new here I cannot be bothered reading stickies and I cannot use search engines, could someone pls point me to some information about how to trade"
would get a better reception than
"Tradz peoplez Plz tell me how to be uber rick, k thx"
Have a good day, and as you should know admission is the first step on the road to recovery.
Since we've clearly degraded to a ****ing match about each other's intelligence, what the hell does "casing point" mean? I'm new here and I can't be bothered to use search engines. Please elaborate.
A point that proves the case weve been discussing. See no hostility fantastic aint it.
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Midas Man
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Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
With no hostility intended, you'd sound a lot more credible if you used the phrase "case in point" or its legalese equivalent "case on point." "Casing point" makes absolutely no sense.
Well obviously English aint my strong point but i'm sure I was close enough for people to understand with a tiny bit of thought but oh well thanks for the correction. Im just happy trade is based on Mathematics and Economics and not a grasp of the english language. Not sure what it has to do with credibility should I discredit anyone in future who makes a spelling punctuation or grammar mistake? I dont think so some how.
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.18 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
Trade may very well be based on Economics and Mathematics. But internet e-peen fluffing, which is clearly the area we're in right now, is most certainly based on rhetoric and language. And since you like to get oh so technical, let's get right to it. "Casing point" is not a spelling error. The word "casing" exists and you spelled it correctly. It is not a grammar error. It is a 'diction' error - an error in the thought process resulting in using the wrong word entirely as opposed to using the right word but misspelling it. Didn't your 'elite MD' parents teach you that in order to sound properly haughty and smug in MD, you must avoid 'diction' errors at all costs?
Bravo, explain why your here then your elitist english skills would be more suitable as a public speaker for a corp or alliance. Getting anal over SPG errors is elitist, I'm not stroking my epeen either just pointing out that you are the exact reason people have become bored with this section of the forum.
Alot of people come here for help and do nothing but get the back up of the people they are requesting help from and then start ranting like 5 year olds because noone will help them.
Think what you will of my Language skills but your a bit off the mark if you seriously believe a simple error in language on a Game forum is worthy of discrediting someone, you do realise the best Language writer have the book, articals etc proof read numerous times because noone is perfect.
Get a grip on reality, you dont add any valid point to this thread you've manage to degrade the whole thread to something meaningless, even though various people have pointed out your blatent ignorance.
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.18 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
Edited by: VJ Maverick on 18/12/2008 19:52:57
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
-reported
Man, I'm sick of this hall-monitor **** that's pervaded this forum the last month. If you want to report a thread just do it, don't make a ****ing announcement about the thing. No one needs to know you're a nerdy, spotty moron that rats on everyone.
I agree with you, but there are times where examples need to be made and lines drawn in the sand. At this point the thread has devolved into nothing productive, and we have a single user to thank for it.
Woohoo! We're drawing "lines in the sand". Can we make sand castles, too?
By the way, I'm fairly certain that disagreeing with you and even saying that nobody cares what you think in direct response to you labeling me "lowered quality" is not a forum violation. In fact, your "reported" statement merely shows how absolutely deluded you are about your own self-importance, suggesting that you actually are wearing "we, the elites" blinders. Hmm... come to think of it, that gives me a business idea.
Hehe good luck with that, you just ruined any chance of investment in this 1 thread and judging from you responces here you dont have the tools need to make the isk yourself.
signing out, I aint elitist but graduated I from nursary many moons ago so think I am a bit to 'leet for this paticular thread
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.19 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Also, in fairness, I should add that the moderators are likely swamped to high heaven. With the holidays upon us there are more "children" with idle hands (when they are not pulling their puds) at the keyboards while at the same time CCP itself is probably very short staffed. I'm sure this is a major factor in the current bruhaha.
However I'm loathe to lay down my own disappointment and frustrations over the current trends. The kids I can deal with or ignore. It's the moderators being turned into weapons, unwittingly I hope, by the trolls that just makes me apathetic about adding anything constructive here.
I believe the children and trolls in question are probably one and the same, In school play grounds the person complaining about being bullied is usually the person doing the bullying, They just have to cry to the teacher when some one retaliates (Report me if you wish Taikun lol)
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